Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Meredith Whitney and I Continue to Agree, Bailout or No Bailout

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I've been on the same bandwagon (the anti Kool Aid bus) with Meredith for a long while now [Aug 4: Meredith Whitney Continues to be Negative on Financials (and Housing)] [Mar 26: I'm on Meredith Whitney's Side]

She continues to be negative. I continue to be. And away we go. Remember 2009 will be the year of the wave of US consumer personal bankruptcies as the juggling debt game ends, as credit card limits are hit and there is no place left to stuff the toxic waste (unlike our corporations, we do not bail out individuals). But nevermind that - buy bank stocks (corporate socialism works for them). It's the American thing to do.
  • The credit crisis that began last summer has intensified so much that any U.S. government bailout plan has "little hope" of improving core fundamentals over the near and medium term, said analyst Meredith Whitney. "Since the onset of the credit crisis, over $2 trillion less liquidity has flown through the U.S. domestic capital markets than during...a year prior," Whitney said.
  • The Oppenheimer & Co analyst cut her outlook for U.S. banks and forecast further dividend cuts and capital raises at banks.
  • "With that much less available capital, both consumers and corporations have and will spend less," she added. As the consumer comes under more pressure in the difficult economy, credit card debt may grow, Whitney wrote in a note to clients. Whitney, however, noted that tighter credit standards and credit line reductions have already strained more consumers into defaulting across the spectrum of lending products.
  • Oppenheimer's Whitney expects the country's GDP to take a hit from likely moves by state governments to cut costs. (that's another one of our themes for 09) [Jul 25: States Slammed by Tax Shortfalls] [Apr 25: Shoes Beginning to Fall in the States] [Dec 16 2007: California in a State of Emergency - Coming to a Theater Near You]
  • Given that over 12 percent of the U.S. GDP is driven by state and local government spending, and with many key states' 2009 budgets being under-funded, governments will be forced to cut costs and this will weigh significantly on GDP, she said. (The United States of Subprime - government spending, healthcare spending, defense spending, home building and going to restaurants - now that's a healthy economy)
  • Whitney said home prices were not close to bottoming and expects prices to ultimately be at least 25 percent lower from current levels. She also sees further declines in homeownership rate. (nods head sadly in agreement)
  • The unemployment rate, which is up over 40 percent year-on-year in key states, is "headed materially higher," Whitney said.
I think Meredith has been reading the blog, much of this could of been lifted from my comments a year ago ;)

Wall Street participants continue to live in denial of the "rebound in 6 months". For long time readers you will remember the incessant calls for "2nd half 2008 rebound", right? Where are those people now? Ah, still on CNBC touting how this is yet another bottom and yet another solution (bailout) that will take away all our pain.

It is interesting to hear the cries of anguish when what has been happening in Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan for the past half decade finally hits Wall Street. Now all the sudden - job losses are a national emergency and every resource in America must be brought to bear to solve their pain (because their pain is all our pain) - when it's Midwest manufacturing jobs on the other hand... well it's just "free markets doing their thing". :)

The "Great Cleansing" continues....

p.s. the mother of all bailouts continues to get new fans wanting to attach their pet projects to it - now the FDIC's Sheila Blair would like to attach bad mortgages directly to it.
  • ...restructuring of troubled mortgages should be part of the final package, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said Tuesday.
  • ...the government could acquire troubled mortgage assets or provide a guaranty for delinquent loans, buying them and removing them from the overall pool of mortgages, Bair suggested.
Sure why not - our pockets are limitless. Hopefully we can get this Frankenstein up to maybe $1 trillion or if we're really good $1.5 trillion by the time we revisit it in 2 years once it "ends". Can I send my credit card balances in as well so Tom in Nebraska, Lori in Oregon, or Frank in Arizona can take care of it? Sign me up. Please invoice Tom, Lori, and Frank directly - I'm going to Maui to celebrate my newfound financial "freedom".

6 comments:

ianmud said...

I think you would rather have been wrong, but you have been oh so right. Down and down and down we go ... where we stop, no one knows.

TraderMark said...

The question becomes, what will "they" do after the (a) bailout plan is announced and the market rallies and (b) the global central banks do a coordinated cut and the market rallies...

... and then it hollows... tires... and credit spreads begin to widen... the next round of fear begins..

... what do "they" have left in the gun to shoot?

Should know by year end.

Guy said...

Hello TM:

Government Bailout = Federal Valium....don't worry let us take care of it for you....ahhh now that is better

Michael said...

From the second article you linked to:

"The director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which controls Fannie and Freddie, suggested Tuesday they could loosen lending standards to help more homebuyers qualify for a loan and stabilize the market."

WTF?! Hand this guy a box and tell him to pack up his office. Reason for termination - stupidity!

sdk_IV said...

Call me crazy, but it seems like ever since the SEC banned shorting of financials...the overall market seems much more volatile. The indices can in the green one moment, and then down 100 moments later in the blink of an eye. Could this be due to the short restrictions?

TraderMark said...

michael,

"suggested Tuesday they could loosen lending standards to help more homebuyers qualify for a loan and stabilize the market."

Uhhh... and we got into this mess in the first place, how?

crazy... err sdk,
the comment is shorts provide liquidity - at some point they need to cover which pushes stocks up. Now there are sometimes huge vacuums. But you forget the market was crazy volatile for many months with or without shorts.

I believe this is a buyers strike. How can you buy anything when you don't know the rules tomorrow and Washington DC is more important than NYC. I'm not buying anything and just sitting watching it all. I expect many are. After months of losing 5% within a day of buying anything you begin to lose the urge to buy.

I believe the bear will end not in a crash but in apathy. Thats how bear of 2000-2002 ended. 2000 people were still buying dips. 2001 the Cramers of the world were still calling bottoms. By mid 2002 everyone just gave up and were disgusted and you mocked people who put money in the stock market. That's when we bottomed.

I expect the same by late 09. So we're still in the volatile stage. At some point in 09 we'll just be in the exhausted listless stage... people will be scorned for putting money in the stock market (hell I'd rather buy a house! Better odds of appreciation!) Wait.. wasn't that what happened in 2002 as well? ;)

Funny how history repeats.

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