Myself, I do think there are a lot of international opportunities available (fertile ground) for investment banking in the years to come, and eventually a new generation of suckers will fall for the products these guys like to sell. Further, as their peers fall one by one (shrink or get absorbed into larger organizations but in a shell of its former self), the remaining pie can be divvied up by fewer strong players. Specific to Goldman Sachs, they literally have people placed in most high reaches of government and industry - so they are the pre-eminent mover and shaker... another bonus. Last, expectations are very low - and these are the type of situations that make ratty retail stocks rally 20% on a very bad earnings report, simply because it "beat expectations". Unfortunately, and this is a problem for our entire financial industry is, the lack of transparency in balance sheets - everyone is guessing what everyone owns and since it's impossible to ascertain (some believe many CFOs don't even realize what they own since many of the instruments are so illiquid and haven't traded for months on end, hence cannot be priced) - so unlike a widget maker it's impossible to have a clue on what earnings might be. [Oct 16: Goldman's "Blowout" Quarter]
Thanks to reader msb, for highlighting this specific article via Fortune. I was writing back in September how these investment banks are black boxes and how it is impossible to gauge what exactly is going on as they have so many levers to pull and push - how could we really tell how they are doing?
I did not realize the depth of level 3 pricing which in layman's terms means stuff that is so illiquid (meaning there is no true market for it), that "computer models" from within the firm actually determine their price. So there is no conflict of interest there and no 'fudging' I am sure. Further, I did not realize that UNREALIZED gains could be counted in a quarter? So if I have paper gains in my stock account for quarter 2, I can count those against my losses? Hmmm, that doesn't really work too well in my Ameritrade account because the next day those gains could evaporate - but I guess it works for Wall Street.
WSJ: Wall Street Goes from Sweet to Sour
- Goldman Sachs Group and Morgan Stanley look like the last two kids on the tour of Willie Wonka's chocolate factory. The investment banks are due to report fiscal-second-quarter earnings this week, and they'll have less company than usual. Historically, four bulge-bracket firms have reported in mid-June, with Merrill Lynch coming a month later. This week, only Goldman and Morgan offer meaningful reports.
- Their numbers are dwindling like the children in the Roald Dahl story and later movies. The kids succumb to the temptations of candy and pay a price. For the investment banks, it was credit.
- Analysts expect Goldman -- the beloved Charlie Bucket of the bunch -- to report earnings of $3.42 a share, down 31% from a year ago. Morgan Stanley is expected to earn 92 cents a share, down 59% from last year. Analysts have for weeks slashed estimates for both firms, citing the same problems that dogged Lehman, including lousy trading revenue and fire sales of assets to reduce leverage.
- Write-downs will likely keep coming as firms keep selling assets, giving bean-counters fresh price tags for what's still on the books, and as the housing downturn and sluggish economy hurt other loans. That could mean more capital-raising, possibly including stock sales that dilute existing shares.
- Meantime, the lucrative structured-finance business is on life support. Deal-making and stock-underwriting aren't feeling much better. All will recover eventually to one degree or another, but until they do brokerage profits will suffer.
- The recovery could be slowed if regulators force investment banks to hold more capital -- a likely consequence of getting access to Federal Reserve loans.
- Wall Street analysts have forecast a huge drop in second-quarter earnings for Goldman Sachs Group Inc (NYSE:GS - News) and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS - News), while Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc (NYSE:LEH - News) is expected to post its first-ever quarterly loss, mainly on hedging losses.
- "Business conditions appear to be among the worst in several years, bulk asset sales have provided price transparency that should trigger more asset write-downs, and hedging was noticeably less effective," David Trone, an analyst at Fox-Pitt Kelton, said in note last week. (but other than that, things are going swimmingly)
- "In the current quarter, it appears that the brokers have not judged risk appropriately once again," Ladenburg, Thalmann & Co analyst Richard Bove said. "The hedge is not working," wrote Bove, who had nearly a year ago recommended that investors sell financial stocks as credit market problems began.
- In the second quarter, investment banks are also expected to incur further losses on "Alt-A" paper, even as writedowns across all other asset classes are projected to be lesser than those in the past quarters. "Alt-A" loans are usually given to those with clean credit histories but who have limited income documentation. (wait, I though 3 quarters ago we were talking about the kitchen sink quarter and it was all up from here? Or was that 2 quarters ago? Or last quarter? I can't keep track anymore, because CNBC and associated pundits have been insisting the bottom is in financials so many times it all begins to blend together)
Long Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley in fund; no personal position









8 comments:
Hey mark, what program do you use for your watchlist?
I currently use Google, but it is crap.
Can you recommend any good freeware/shareware programs to keep track of stocks and stuff?
Thanks.
I was about to ask the same question. I found"stockcharts.com" as great. But its a paid service...
Mark, can u recommend any?
Mark what do you think about AG after the run-up today? Is the market playing catch-up?? its has a goood breakout today...
I just use my brokerage for watch lists
Generally I create sector watch lists, from 1 to 50 stocks, and then have them sorted by % return that day. I use Ameritrade but assume any broker can do the same.
Paulin,
AG has surprised me at how weak it has been, but I've pulled back from that sector due to the rising costs of inputs. After all, they make their product from steel and since the Deere warning, I have been trying to keep away from companies that have that issue. That said, I still think its a positive sector and increased demand and higher prices. It has been so depressed it was due for a catch up. But all things being equal I find more safety in fertilizer so I abandoned the equipment makers a while back which turned out to be a good move.
Mark,
can you recommend a metallurgical coal play with more charting historry than ANR?
thanks
MEE is next in line after ANR.
Mark,
I know you are looking for a pullback in Natural Gas names in the short term, but in the long term have you ever considered UNG, the fund pegged to the price of natural gas?
Seems like it would be a good way to play the trend without having to worry about the earnings missteps, or ups and downs of individual stocks.
yes, always an option and one others have mentioned when we first got into the space.
It does have the benefits you mention. On the other hand many of the producers are priced for natural gas 20-35% lower than current prices so you have that upside. So there are pros and cons to either approach.
http://tinyurl.com/3h8xjt
Here is the chart YTD versus some major producers we own or considered to own - so in theory your bet would of worked "better" but always easier to say that in retrospect. It is sort like buying gold versus the gold miners or oil versus the old producers - one just never knows what will outperform in any 3-6 month time frame. Hence I usually go with a basket approach on most everything; one could always throw UNG in with a few producers.
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