So when I put on my stock jockey hat I say "everything will be fine in 6 months, buy buy buy". And that's about the depth of my analysis.
When I put on my economist/strategy hat I continue my long held stance that we are still in the early innings (I've moved us up to 3rd/4th inning now that new home prices are being slashed) but if you look at the news flow, it is amusing when overlayed with the stock performance. You could say that for the whole stock market, but this group in particular. Remember, reality does not count in the stock market - only perception. Perception is things are going to be fine "in due time"... on the other hand MY reality is 2008 will be the year of the 'walk away" (people send it keys, and walk away from homes they are underwater on) , inventory numbers are at record levels but do not reflect the "trapped" people - people who want to sell but either (a) refuse to face reality and book their loss or (b) don't have enough money to bring to the table at closing to sell their underwater home, credit tightening so even less home owners are available to sap up inventory, people who feel like they are in a recession are not going to be rushing to buy homes, people whose real wages (adjusted for inflation) are becoming poorer by the day, so their buying power is falling (for homes as well), many potential buyers who should be ready to buy now were sucked in early in 2005-2007 by no down, cheap rate mortgages so that pool of people is nowhere to be found, foreclosures are just beginning as people begin to give up, and it still takes 6 months for inventory to come to the market, and median prices are still too high in most major urban areas for average people with average wages. That's 2008. 2009? Not much better. Get back to me in late 2009/early 2010.
But since none of that matters ("it's all priced in"), we have homebuilder stocks in our portfolio - and they go up on days like this when we see Case/Schiller Price Index shows nearly 13% year over year median NATIONAL price reductions (ouch), and foreclosures are at record levels. Thankfully, this will all be past us in "6 months".
- Home prices have posted another record decline, as most of the nation's largest markets suffered double-digit drops over last year, a survey released Tuesday shows.
- The S&P Case/Shiller Home Price Index, which tracks 20 of the largest housing markets, showed prices plummeting by 12.7% in the 12 months ending February. That's the biggest fall since the index began tracking prices in 2000.
- Of those 20 metro areas, 17 posted their largest year-over-year declines ever. Ten of the 20 cities posted double-digit dips.
- "There is no sign of a bottom in the numbers," S&P spokesman David M. Blitzer, said in a prepared statement. "Prices of single family homes continue to drop across the nation."
- "This is huge," said Dean Baker, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute. "Back a couple of years ago, people were saying, 'Housing prices are not like stocks; they change slowly,'" he said. But the drop in home prices appears to be accelerating. Indeed, Baker said that at the rate prices are falling, as much as $6 trillion in home values could be wiped out from the top of the market in June, 2006, through the end of this year. (what's a few trillion among friends? Uncle Ben and his merry band are printing 24/7 to help replace this lost value - replace one bubble with the next)
- Prices in the Las Vegas metro area have plunged more than any other city, down 22.8% over the 12 months through February. Miami prices plummeted 21.7%. In Phoenix, they've fallen 20.8%. (so let's review, plunging tax revenues, with government loaded with workers, who need to cut either services or increase revenue - yes you guessed it job losses at the state and local level combined with higher taxes for the minions - all sounds like a recipe for a recovery in "6 months")
- The declines create a vicious cycle, according to Peter Schiff, the president of the investment firm Euro Pacific Capital. He was sounding alarms about the housing bubble more than two years ago. "People wanted houses as vehicles to make money," said Schiff. "Now that they can't make money, they don't want the houses anymore."
- The number of U.S. homes heading toward foreclosure more than doubled in the first quarter from a year earlier, as weakening property values and tighter lending left many homeowners powerless to prevent homes from being auctioned to the highest bidder, a research firm said Monday.
- On Monday, the Census Bureau reported that the number of vacant homes for sale has hit a record high. The report shows that 2.9% of U.S. homes -- excluding rental properties -- were vacant and up for sale in the first quarter. That translates to about 2.28 million properties - the highest quarterly number on record since 1956.
- Nationwide, 649,917 homes received at least one foreclosure-related filing in the first three months of the year, up 112 percent from 306,722 during the same period last year, RealtyTrac said.
- The latest tally also represents an increase of 23 percent from the fourth quarter of last year.
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4 comments:
Mark: Here is my version of Kool-Aid. It is the pundit's guide to buying the dip. And all you need to do this analysis is a price chart and a momentum oscillator that measures how oversold the market may be.
First, let’s take a daily price chart of the S&P500, and for our momentum oscillator, I will use a plain old Bollinger band. According to the pundits, the market is oversold and a “buy” when prices tag the bottom Bollinger band. Oh geez by this analysis, I would have been buying all the way down since the market top in October, 2007.
But wait, we have weekly charts to consider. Or to put it another way, if the daily charts don’t work out, the market will eventually get oversold on a weekly basis. On a weekly chart, the S&P500 first closed below the bottom Bollinger Band on January 4, 2008. The calls got even louder: what a “buy” the market was back then.
But that didn’t work out too well either. Oh wait a minute, we have those all important monthly charts, and boy have the bottom callers gotten louder as prices tagged the bottom Bollinger band last month.
According to the pundit’s guide of when to “buy the dip”, if you don’t get it right on the daily charts, you always can make the call on the weekly charts. And if that fails, you always have the monthly chart. One of these dips has to work out. Doesn’t it always?
And that is how I view the current price action. Prices have gotten oversold on a monthly time frame. The “calls” for “this is the bottom” have grown louder and louder. Prices have bounced. And according to the pundit’s guide of when to “buy the dip”, one of these oversold dips has to work out.
Now my point here isn’t to discuss the usefulness of the Bollinger band, but to show you how the noise has gotten louder and louder as prices have become oversold on a monthly time frame. The reality is this: 1) oversold on a monthly time frame doesn’t happen too often; 2) sometimes it is the place to buy; 3) other times, it is not.
However, what is clear is this: failure of the bounce to materialize at this juncture is likely to lead to a protracted bear market. After all, what do the perma-bulls have left to fall on? The daily, weekly, and monthly charts didn’t work out. Oh my God, head for the hills!
**I own 2 homebuilders, not because I believe in any imminent rebound, but because no amount of bad news can bring them down anymore.**
That Kool Aid you are drinking must be real strong stuff....
guy, thanks for the info
so when my daily chart doesnt work, i can go to my weekly, when my weekly doesnt work, i can go to my monthly. I can appear every 3 weeks and say "this is the bottom buy here" and when I am wrong I will just ask CNBC to reschedule me in 3 weeks where I will repeat the same message. I will repeat this process until at some point I am correct, and say "aha!" At that point Erin Burnette will give me a high 5, and Dennis Kneal will kiss me.
Now that works great if I am a TV personality. Not so much if I need to make money.
Devil is in the details.
Shax, I recommend cherry.. its the strongest form of Kool Aid.
Mark: serious it is that simple. Cramer use to do it all the time on RM. I see the current noise as no different. The best thing about this calling the bottom and buy the dip methodology is this: 1) the odds are with you that you will be right most of the time by the time weekly charts get oversold; 2) if you are wrong when the monthly charts get oversold don't worry as we will be in a bear market by then and it won't be your fault as people will finally recongize that something is wrong. You will be allowed a free pass because it is a bear market and we just cannot do anything about that.
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