Monday, January 7, 2008

Reader 'Pledges' Towards Mutual Fund Launch

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Readers, first of all thanks for your 'business' and participation on the blog. As I like to say, I realize there are many financial focused web site choices out there for your time and interest, so I feel very pleased that this blog has grown so quickly in just 5 months from a dead start to a very healthy number.

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There is an end goal to this site - and that is to launch a real mutual fund. Over the years I have helped many people with their work 401ks and part of my motivation, aside from passion for investing, is just being sickened by seeing so many "me too" mutual funds out there, full of large cap stocks of identical mix over and over in fund after fund - full of stocks like GE, Microsoft, Exxon, Citigroup, Bank of America, Merck, Pfizer - all charging 1.0%+ annual fees on billions of assets to get investors nothing more than a S&P 500 index fund could do for far less in fees and almost always better performance. That's the dirty secret; the vast majority of funds cannot even beat the S&P 500. That's essentially "much" of the mutual fund system; a system of under achievers. Now, one day I might prove to be an under achiever as well, but you will see it day by day, week by week, each decision and thought process and I think this could be a unique concept, especially for this staid industry. An industry where performance does not mean much; only marketing. Obviously I need to perform - or I don't win readers trust. So far so good as readers who have been following along can see.

As the title bar indicates I have a goal of raising $7 million (note this amount might fall as I gather more information and talk to more people who have started small funds). If its from 2000 people, 500 people, or 6000 people is abstract - the amount is important. Why $7 million? Essentially, mutual funds are expensive things to maintain on an annual basis due to audits, SEC documenation, system support, paperwork and the like. From the firm I am working with something in the range of $100K- $125K should be expected (depending on how many states you are registered in) on an annual basis so to break even with some leeway, a $7 million asset base with a 1.75% annual expense fee would generate $100K-$125K a year and should allow me to at least break even. So I need to have 'committments' for investment near this area to have confidence the fund can exist at break even levels, hence why $7 million is the initial goal.

Of course it goes without saying this would be a NO LOAD mutual fund (i.e. some mutual funds charge a fee under the fancy term 'load' i.e. if there is a 6% load you send $10,000 to the fund and they take $600 away to their pocket for the honor of investing in their fund. So you start 6% down and have only $9,400 to invest. Nonsense.)

Aside from that there is about (approx) $50K in startup fees/registrations just to launch the fund in the first place. So it is not a cheap production, and in fact running a hedge fund (both in start up and in annual maintenance) is far cheaper. But you limit the people who can invest in your fund to people of high net worth (certain annual income requirements and household worth). Perhaps that will be a future adventure.

EDIT: One question asked is the process once the fund is up and running - it would be no different than any other mutual fund out there - you'd get an application, prospectus, send the check to a 3rd party clearing house and away you go. Retirement and normal accounts both available, etc - nothing different than all the other mutual funds out there, other than the most transparency in terms of manager decisions and daily feedback. So that's down the road once the fund is created - for now I just need a clear amount of commitments/pledges so I can hit the ground running.

Since many readers have contacted me with early interest I've decided use this blog post and readers can "respond" with comments (or email me directly) and we will use that as a "pledge meter" if you will.

Again, my timetable is open ended, my original goal was to build a track record of 3 years, surpassing the indexes I track by 15% a year. As I write this, we are only near the end of quarter 2 of a 12 quarter marathon but if things progress quicker than that, it would be wonderful as well. I would ask if the readers who are interested please add a comment to this post (or email me) with the following information in this format:

Amount 'pledging', First name, Last initial (for privacy sake), City, State

For example:
$5000, George B., Washington D.C.

Please keep in mind $2500 is the minimum (record keeping for accounts smaller than that becomes onerous and expensive) and both IRA and regular accounts will be offered, as with any mutual fund offering. Essentially any type of account you use to open a mutual fund or brokerage account will be available.

New NEWS: Foreign Investors are now eligible. You will need to fund your investment with a bank wire (easier) or if you have access to a US dollar check account you can do that too. And you will need to fill out this form when you invest - it creates a US tax number for you. IRS W-8. Everything else will be the same as any normal investor.

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And yes, I will be investing my own money (another thing all mutual fund managers should be required to do)... So let me get this rolling...

$75K, Mark H, Royal Oak, Michigan

Now I only need $6.925M more :)

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Last, if you are making a larger pledge say $20K or more, in addition to adding a comment to this the bottom of this message, please send me an email so I have your email address (and place the same data in the email as you put in the comment). Obviously 1 large pledge takes the place of many smaller ones, and gets to the ultimate goal much quicker so I'd like to have that group ready and on hand, and easy to communicate with so when ready to begin the next steps I can confirm they are still committed. But even the smallest pledge is of course appreciated; and those of you who just are here for sake of reading the blog with no intent of investing are always welcome.

So we'll check over the course of the next 12 months and see how we progress... hopefully we find an easier way to track things down the road! I'll track progress monthly. (p.s. if you prefer to just email me with amount and info, please do)

Totals
January 7, 2008
= $75K total raised
February 19, 2008 (click here for full post): $766K total raised
March 18, 2008 (click here for full post): $994K raised
April 16, 2008 (click here for full post): $1.2M raised
May 15, 2008 (click here for full post): $1.6M raised
June 17, 2008 (click here for full post): $2.5M raised
July 17, 2008 (click here for full post): $3.3M raised
August 18, 2008 (click here for full post): $3.9M raised
Mid September ....


71 comments:

fortune8 said...

$2500, MichaelD, Oceanside, CA

oth said...

$5000 to $10000 - depends on how much left after 2008...

Dean said...

$10,000, Dean D., San Jose, CA

Pranav said...

$2500, Oza P, MA

retire-me said...

$20k, OL, Chicago

Robert said...

$10k, Rob T, New York

T-Rader said...

5k, Ryan, Seattle

More if you can help me grow my trading account :)

Ted said...

5000-10000, Ted, Sunnyvale, CA

i3i2iain said...

2500, Brian P, Cerritos, CA

I currently don't have an income but in 1.5 years when I'm out of school I will definitely be investing in your fund.

FYI - I'm not sure about what benefits Alexis offers, but I use "Google Analytics" for website traffic tracking. Out of several that I have tried (I haven't tried Alexis) Google has been the best. Also, I don't think that visitors need any special toolbar with Google Analytics. Here's a link : http://www.google.com/analytics/ Hope this helps!

Mait said...

Mark, is there NO way I can be in your fund? :(

David Boguslavsky, MD said...

20-25K, David B, Middlesex NJ

Mark, I am pretty certain I can make a 20-25K deposit when you start off. I've been genuinely impressed by your insights and have dipped my toes in the market on some of the leads I've seen from you.

That said, I sure do hope you are right on LDK - down 25% since I bought it :)!

Best of luck and keep up your awesome work!

ianmud said...

$50K, Ian, San Antonio

Liquidwindows said...

OK - had to start my own blog to get to post here:)
20,000 for me if you open tomorrow but I'll up that as you get a longer track record. I have never let anyone else manage even a penny of my money - this is the highest compliment I could ever give anyone. There will also be kids, grandkids and the odd nephews and nieces(they're all odd) also but I don't know how many - as the date of your opening gets closer I'll wrangle 'em up.

Jonson said...

$5K, JONSON, Los Angeles
Analysis is great. Keep up the good work!

TraderMark said...

Thanks everyone.
@oth - no rush, this is going to take a lot of time and more of a track record built

@t-rader - I hope so - I'm givinhg you about 60 choices of stocks/ETFs, make sure you pick the right ones for yourself ;)

@ted - I'll mark you down in the middle, $7.5K

@Brian P - excellent, talk about thinking ahead. I'm hoping your first job is say CEO level to get that income started in the millions? right from day 1?

@mait - you will need to immigrate to the USA, or you can just jump the southern border which is how most people do it nowadays ;)

@david - I'm going to need a doctor myself after this LDK experience - biggest loser so far (sigh) one day it will happen (I think) Buy some fertilizer in the meantime ;)

@liquid - by the time we get launched you will probably have 5-6 more grandkids

Thanks everyone, still working on a numeric widget - if can't find a solution will outsource and get someone to code it, but for now we go old school...

jimidean said...

5k

bhr549 said...

3k, Brooks R, Baton Rouge, LA

zlatanscores said...

I have read your comments on STP and have since the new year followed your blog. Interested in participating with $5000

Ben said...

3k, Ben S, Portland, OR

Sheng said...

5k, S S, Omaha, NE

Jeffrey McLarty said...

~$100,000 CAD, Jeffrey McLarty, Ontario, Canada.

There is an if. I want to help you run the fund. I'm 23, an investor since 12. I've put myself through the University of Waterloo and saved up 6 figures at the same time. I'm attempting to launch a hedge fund right now, but that looks like a fading mess of red tape. I'm currently looking for a job (before I graduate) where I can manage my own money and do it for other people at the same time. If you're interested, keep in touch.

good luck,
Jeffrey McLarty
http://www.bluemoat.com & http://blog.bluemoat.com

TraderMark said...

Jeffrey, very generous offer - thanks. $100K Candian is like $10 Million US with the exchange rate now right? Or it will be soon enough. Unfortunately I believe only US investors could invest. So you'd have to move to Windsor and sneak across the border.

As for the hedge fund it is actually far cheaper and easy to get up and running than a mutual fund. The problem is you can only have qualified investors ($200K+ income or $1M+ net worth outside of home - last I checked) so there are only so many of those people and they usually want to see a serious track record within an investing firm before trusting you with any cash.

Someone else asked about working for the fund and as I said to him, once assets get to the point it is cost effective to hire someone, I'd like to find another "me" to help. So that would be something for down the road. But if you've raised $100K on your own, you've done a hell of a job and congratulations! I will have to double check on Canada (or maybe you can on your end), but I do believe only US investors can invest in US mutual funds.

Liquidwindows said...

Thanks for the trade the other day Mark, that was fun- double my original commitment to $40,000. You already have my email I believe.

msuberri said...

~10K msuberri NJ USA

I started reading your blogs few weeks ago. I am very impress by your fearless approach of being totally transparent with you book keeping, investment activities, and analysis. You are a rare breed. I totally enjoy reading your post

Good luck and I let the force be with you.

david said...

TraderMark, $5k to start with, and more if I can pull myself out of the hole from January.

TBone525 said...

$10K Ryan T. New Jersey

I stumbled upon your blog last week and have been very impressed with your analysis and commentary, as well as the novelty of your idea here. Best of luck!

Nanda said...

$3000 NandaK Nashua NH

Bobby said...
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Bobby said...

Bobby L

$5000 USD, San Jose, CA

Keep up the great work. I find your articles and knowledge very insightful. Will scale in my pledge as progress continues.

Himalayas said...

$200,000. Bellevue WA.

TraderMark said...

Hi Himalayas, would you mind shooting me a quick email so I have your email address - the link is on the right margin of the blog - thank you.

sdk_IV said...

Jason B
Miami, Fla.

10K up to this point, with potential to increase that to 25k once your track record is better established.

daKat said...

Tom S
Minneapolis

Tradermark...I have 10k to add to your mutual fund. Thank you for insight that is so true.. You have helped me make money in this market!!!

agrafov said...

$5K, Andrey G., Baltimore, MD

Bobby said...

Scaling in another $5000 USD, since my first post 2/28/08.

I literally feel smarter after reading your posts :D

Link McGinnis said...

$10,000, Link McGinnis, Knoxville, TN

If you can't be convinced to start now, maybe this 10k will become 15k after following your advice for 3 years! Thanks for teaching me how to think about investing. You've helped already.

Alex said...

$20K, Alex A. New York, NY

road said...

$20K, Rohit S., Chicago, IL

wfubob said...

$5K, Bob M., Atlanta, GA

Ling said...

$10k (at today's exchange rate of £1.96750:US$1)
More if you can tell me what the cable is going to do over the next 2 years...

Keep up the good work, this blog makes for interesting read!

TraderMark said...

Ling, are you in the USA? (You wrote something about an exchange rate)

Mutual funds in US are only open to US citizens. Let me know

Nate said...

$10k, Nate W., Novi, MI

HongH said...

$20K Canadian, Hong H. Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

Hamish said...

$2500 Hamish E , Queenstown , New Zealand

jhantu said...

4-5k
satyakee s, houston, tx

goldbear said...

$30,000 Rich P., Concord, CA

sanxia said...

5K xiang x, Salem, MA

hotCigar said...

$25K, Shane, Houston, TX

Troy House said...

5K, Troyhouse, Chicago, IL

DD said...

$10k, Darin P., Corvallis OR

Been following your blog since late Aug-07. Nice work. Very much appreciate your transparency. I've learned a bunch.

DrJ said...

$15k, Justin K, Columbus OH

Your the best!!

mike said...

$5k, Mike Mck, ATL GA

watch said...

Tao Z., 20K, New York

Mark C. Mescher said...

Mark M., $10k, PA

alesmith said...
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alesmith said...

$20k, Dave B, Palo Alto CA

Jake said...

$5k, Jake M, Madison WI

Rohit said...

Rohit-10k-CA

bruce said...

Bruce W
$2500
Nortborough, MA

MikeH said...

$2,500, Mike H, Bothell, WA

John said...

$2,500, John C., Philadelphia, PA

Admin said...

Have you considered monetizing this site with adsense for example in order to generate some income for the mutual fund?

TraderMark said...

Hi Admin,

Sounds like I'm talking to Big Brother. If I monetize the site at some point it won't be with Google Adsense - probably independent advertisers but not right now.

Also it would have nothing to do with the mutual fund. That is a self contained entity - any "income" would derive to "Mark". You can't intermingle income from the website with the fund.

airosaul said...

I just found your site. Intriguing and I find your analysis insightful. I'll consider promising money once I read more. A couple of questions:

1. If your goal is 7 million and you rely on promised amounts wont you end up wiht something significantly less than 7 million?

2. Would you post your shorts like you do now (assuming you could short now)? I would think that a hedgefund type reading this could wipe out your mutual fund if he knew you were shorting something.

Keep up the good work.

badrkhan said...

$5000, Taher B, New York, NY

I have been following your postings for few months already and acted on some of your investment ideas. I made good amount of money from them. I thought that your postings were very insightful during last week's historic market plunge. I feel I can trust you with my money

Mark said...

$2500, Mark L, Iowa City, IA
Go Hawks!

Easygo said...

2.5K,SreedharB,KS

Roberto said...

$2,500

A1 said...

5K-10K [depending on what's left after the bloodbath in the markets!!!]
-AtulR, NY

NW said...

$5000, Nikhil W., Phila, PA

phong said...

10K
I love the transparency and your thoughts involving your trades. Thank you.

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