The headlines for Canadian Solar (CSIQ) blare
"Doubling of profits!"
"Smashes Analysts Estimates!"
Wow, breathtaking stuff. My heart rate sure is up. Must of been a wonderful earnings report? Uhhh, not so much. Unlike First Solar (FSLR) which truly delivered some ground breaking stuff, Canadian Solar is like a retail stock that has lowered expectations so much that anything short of losses makes the stock rally massively. I am still not buying the hype. This plays on my theme of speculators... err investors too in love with massive revenue growth but not looking at what matters in the end.... profits.
Let's take a closer look at the numbers.
Revenue surged year over year from $17.8M to $97.4. Impressive in anyone's estimation
Last year on that $17.8M in revenue they generated gross profit of 17% and EPS of $0.01 EPS
Now a year later with an additional 80 MILLION of revenue, that EPS doubled to.... $0.02 EPS. Exciting! Not so much. Gross margins? Down to 6.5%. But hey that's better than last quarter when they managed to sell their product at below cost. (yes that means a loss).
On top of that they have continued to shuffle almost all their profits to "management" - earnings would of been $.11 if not for the quarter after quarter handoff of almost all profits to management (this quarter it was $2.4M) This is similar to the amounts handed off the past 2 quarters of public life as Canadian Solar struggles with profitability.... each quarter the management got the lions share of all public profits.
Let's take an even closer look at the numbers shall we? Gross profit was $6.34M
Gross expenses? $7M
So they actually lost nearly $700K running the business (and it would be worse if they actually spent any change comparable to peers in R&D spendings)
So how did they manage a profit?
They somehow generated $1.7M further in their P&L on "Others Net"
So one would need to dig into the SEC documents to see what "Others Net" is, but the bottom line is this was another losing quarter on operations... despite the headlines. "Others Net" did not appear in Q1 or Q2 this year, but somehow appeared out of the blue this quarter. Hmmm....
If you back out the $1.7M in "Other Net" Canadian Solar lost $1.2M this quarter or close to 5 cents. Of course 80% of people in solar stocks today won't be reading the P&L statement, they never get past the headline number....
So on the bear side, gross margins have been destroyed from a year ago, and with all that massive revenue growth they can only add 1 cent of EPS (post management getting "theirs").
The bulls will argue - well now the future is looking bright (pardon the pun) - increased guidance (more revenue which will generate a lot lower profit than competitors), 90% of polysilicon secured for 2008 (ok I will give them that, that is a *GOOD* thing), and in house cell mfg (also I agree, a good thing as it should help the close to industry low margins). But don't let today's huge ramp in stock price make you forget the fundamentals. While Canadian Solar is shuffling from negative gross margins to + 6%, the better executing companies in this sector are at worst doing upper teen gross margins and the better are in the lower 20s.
The company is guiding for 8M-8.5M non GAAP operating income for next quarter (which will be an improvement), and of course the typical $2.5M or so will go to management. But next quarter it appears they will finally be making money from making solar products (they didn't this quarter, no matter what the headlines blare)....
With expectations so low for this name, any positive news would be greeted as triumphant but if you are looking for 'best of breed', there are far better choices in the solar space... just about everything else in fact.
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007
Canadian Solar (CSIQ) Up Over 40% - What's the Fuss About?
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5 comments:
Sure there are better solar companies but you have to take into account the market cap here. It is so low that this stock could double and still be undervalued compared to the other solar stocks.
Many things could be better but the 30% increase in price today is justified because it is based on fundamentals and the super low valuation. Even after the 30% increase, the market cap is only of 400M. To compare to one low valuation stock: TSL. TSL has a market cap of 1B and the last quarter it had 75M in sales and 7.2M in net income. That's similar to the guidance given for CSIQ for the next quarter. CSIQ would have to do a 250% increase in price to reach the same valuation as TSL. I don't think that it would go up that much but I believe that it should do much better than 30%. We'll see.
Oops, not 250% but 150%.
James, market cap comparisons without other info wont help you much. Two companies of equal market cap could have totally differentg growth prospects, and EPS.
I am not saying CSIQ won't go up. I am saying its not near best of breed. In fact look at their R&D spending, a whopping 300K
CSIQ is a "me too" company in m opinion. Meaning anyone with access to capital can create a similar company very quickly - no technological advantage, no industry leading lead in any area, and they are not even spending on R&D at levels of any of their competitors - not even close. They can't afford to because they lost money this quarter (when you exclude currency gains)
For all I know it could go up the most of any solar company in the next year but its long term advantage is nil and I could see 20 new CSIQ type companies out there in China which would not have a hard time being very similar. Whereas building a STP from the ground up would be impossible - you'd be years behind. "me too" is very different from industry leaders and thats why the industry leaders get a premium. In the end this is a commodity business, so those on the bottom end will suffer the most as new entrants come to fruition.
But again maybe its stock price can do well over the near term. Just dont look at market caps solely.
CSIQ is a great company with huge growth potential - right, that's why there have been no shares available to short the last two days. I use IB. Your take on them is spot on Mark. Their wins are profitless contracts, lowest bidder wins the contract with the lowest, or no profit. If they do get enough volume to be annoying to jaso, stp, tsl, yge, solf - they will just drop their prices to get rid of cisq. Why? Because cisq has the lowest profit margin amongst all of them while being the smallest by capitalization as well. Additionally consider the macro factors - the credit binge here and in europe is over, and trade imbalances will cast darker shadows on the political landscape, very soon. And it's not really Canadian solar, it's Chinese solar.
calvino, as long as a sector is sexy any investment in it, can be profitable. So for all I know CSIQ can be a "winner" for months/quarters/years. But when the commodity portion of the business finally comes to fruition and hits investors senses (that there actually be winners and losers) the weak will be shaken out. I have been told in regards to this entry that management has told us this or that, so bank on it. I would like to see proof in the pudding and even then they are WAY behind the curve, 300K in R&D last quarter, and it appears they are quarters behind (if not years) the established names. So right when they should be ramping up to where a Yingli, Trina, or Suntech is today, those companies will probably already be starting a whole 'nother lap. At some point, the way this places out is when the "me too" companies finally hit their stride, the more dominant players are at the stage they start exerting pricing pressure to squeeze them out. Again, does not make CSIQ un-investible and in fact with speculators loving stocks in hot sectors with low prices it could go up the most. But in the long run, it's going to have a lot of hurdles IMO. I know its not Canadian, I've been watching (and even invested very early in its life) it for 3 quarters so I know the back story and history of disappointments.
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